Friday, June 25, 2010


18 comments:

Jesse Ellis said...

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Anonymous said...

Oh sure, God's on the Israeli's side. How often have zealots and crackpots invoked His name to justify evil deeds? Don't use God as an excuse.

Jesse Ellis said...

Well, tell me that the Bible does not say that Israel is the chosen nation/people.
If it is written, and someone quotes what is written, how are they anything other than a messenger?
Besides, if the Lord said at that time, to wander around and wipe out every living thing that moves in order to prepare the area for His people, who is it among us can say that is evil? In doing so, one has to say that God is evil. Also, if the Bible says the world, (Gog and Magog) is going to get their collective butts handed to them on a platter if they mess with His people, who is to say it will not happen? That would be like being a pot made of clay, telling the potter what to do with the clay. I just wish someone would hurry up and get this thing going. Maybe Iran? (ps thanks for posting other views.)

George said...

What does prophecy have to say about the United States sending Israel $3 billion a year? Is AIPAC on a mission from God? Does God command our president, vice president, secretary-of-state, and members of Congress to keep quiet when Israelis attack US ships (Remember the Liberty!!)and murder US citizens in international waters?

Jesse Ellis said...

George,
Why ask what it says? Read it. Why depend on someone else telling you what it says? One may get the idea by your questions, that you are less interested in prophecy then you are into rationalizing particular distasteful incidents. It is true God made this earth, and everything that wanders around on it, He gave it to Adam, and through Adams' free will, by disobeying God, gave it over to Satan, who the Bible says is the ruler of this earth. Because Adam did Satan’s, will and not God's will, he gave over Ownership of this planet to Satan. If you want to know why things are not going as you think they should, ask Satan. He is the one who is orchestrating the shenanigans on this planet. God had a plan to fellowship with man forever, but when man disobeyed God, he sinned. God cannot look upon sin. So to regain His fellowship with man, He had His Son pay the price for all sin. Yours, mine, everyone's. All you have to do, is to believe in Jesus as your personal Lord and savior, ask him to come into your life, and make you clean of sin, so that you will again have fellowship, a one to one fellowship with God. So, when you ask why this or why that, it is really a mute question. All evil and wrong doing is of Satan. Through the actions of Adam's free will, to which he knew the price for disobedience, all his kids are born into sin, and hence, we all sin. It is nothing we obtain or get polluted with during our lifetime. And the price for sin, is death.
Did you know that Christianity is the only faith that has God reaching for man? All the others, have man reaching for God.

Anonymous said...

what the heck does that have to do with Israel's blockade of the Gaza strip?

Anonymous said...

The Gaza Strip, was a part of the original land given to Israel. The people who are living there and who are not from the house of David, really are no more than squatters. Un-welcomed guests who are trying to impose upon the owners of the land some kind on contemporary justification for being there, all the while ignoring the original trust deed to the property.

Anonymous said...

what about all those Palestinians currently in refugee camps who own titles to land now occupied by Israelis? Was Palestine empty when Jewish immigrants colonized the land in 1947? Did David Ben Gurion and his armed legions politlely ask the inhabitants to leave or was force involved?

Anonymous said...

oh let's quit all the Bible quoting. Israel was founded like all other states - through force maintained by conquest.

Anonymous said...

You do not understand. The land belongs to the Jewish nation to do as they see fit. Period. It was given to them by almighty God way before David Ben Gurion and the boys were around. (Ezekiel 47:13 - 48:35.) When the people of Israel was first given their land, they were told by God to destroyed everything, and everyone in order to make clean, or prepare the land for His chosen people. Today, whoever currently lives there, and is not Jewish, is on borrowed time. If God gave it to them, then who among us, the created of God, can say it is unjust? Who can say, that the Israelites are wrong in reclaiming that which was given to them by God? And you speak of titles? Who's title? mans? Do you really think that God should bend to mans will, over man bending to Gods? The Bible spoke of the re-habitation of Israel after the nation was to be scattered. (Jeremiah 30:3-22) It speaks of Israel becoming a nation again on the same land that was given to the original Israelites who fled Pharaoh. So what about those who inhabit the land that is not theirs? If that all happened here in the U.S. we'd end up paying them and handing over Arizona to them.

Anonymous said...

oh let's quit all the Bible quoting. Israel was founded like all other states - "through force maintained by conquest."
Israel was given to the people of Israel by God. He told them to go and conquer it. They did as He told them. They did not act on their own. As a matter of fact, the scouts that went out to spy on the people who lived there came back and said they were giants, and could not be conquered. But, they followed the Lord, and prevailed. Now, is that so wrong? And if so, by who's scale is it wrong?

Anonymous said...

yes. a lib.

Jesse Ellis said...

You post a cartoon using Bible Characters, then, when it comes to posting a view point that shows what you posted is wrong, or does not compliment your agenda, you say "oh let's quit all the Bible quoting." You opened the can. If you didn't know what was inside, maybe you should have read the label. Your actions, and your unwillingness to search for the truth, and to only consider that which is contained in the six inches between your ears, is a true testament of your Liberal mindset. Have a wonderfully oblivious day.

George said...

Okay. God is on your side. God is also on Osama bin Laden's side and on the side of Israel too. God is also an American, but he used to be British. The U.S.,like the Blues Brothers, are on a mission from God.

It is comfort to know that insanity can afflict anyone of any faith.

Jesse Ellis said...

You do yourself a disservice by allowing your frustrations to guide your responses. God loves everyone. He has chosen the Jews as His people. He also loves gentiles. He gave Adam and Eve, as well as all of us, a free will. To do right, or wrong. He told Adam and Eve that to do wrong, or sin, would mean there would be consequences. Adam and Eve used their free will to disregard what God said, to adhere to what Satan said, and committed the first sin. God cannot look upon, or fellowship with anyone who has sinned. He banished them, and ended His one on one relationship with them. Because they were sinful creatures, their children were also born into sin. But God still loved us. He also could not look upon sin. He gave us a free will, and he had to Honor it, or it is on no use. If man decided to turn from Him, He had to allow it. He wants us to love him as a act of a free will. Robots can say 'I love you' but it has no meaning. Anyway, since the price for sinning is death, someone had to die. Someone who could take the sin upon themselves of everyone. Someone to pay the price for all of mankind's sin. Once that was done, and people accepted the gift of redemption by His death, then God can look upon them as clean, free of sin when they are presented before him. They will have been washed free of anything they have ever done that is sinful. So when you mock what is written (trusting you have read the referenced quotes) you can understand why it is I question your reasoning. What you said about God is on this person's side, or that person side, makes no sense. And, if what I have written seems to be insane, please be specific. I do not want you to dismiss it simply because it is not familiar to you. True, sometimes what is written in the Bible seems odd and foreign. But look at what reference point that determination is made. Most of the time, it is made by people who have not read it, but will still place the smatterings that they have heard about of it, up against what man deems to be right or wrong. Since mans idea of right or wrong is based on whatever the current socially acceptable behavior is at any given time,or can differ from culture to culture, then to reference the everlasting unwavering true word of God against what people say is right or wrong, is truly insane.

George said...

Wonderful. These kooks think Old Testament prophecy should dictate US foreign policy. Perhaps the christian Zionists should ponder the Golden Rule and stop obsessing about End Times.

Anonymous said...

Kooks and Zionists. Well said, great retort.

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Jesse Ellis said...

I have not said that Old Testament doctrine should dictate U.S. foreign policy. I do not care one way or the other about U.S. policy. (We were talking about squatters on Israeli soil.) The U.S. (as well as any country) has been predetermined as to their place during this time. And to obsess about the end times and the people who are or will be living through it, is actually obsessing about their walk or lack of it with God, which, is a good thing that the 'Golden Rule' compliments.

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